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Comments on the AP College Football Poll: November 26, 2023

1) Georgia 12-0
2) Michigan 12-0
3) Washington 12-0
4) Florida State 12-0
5) Oregon 11-1
6) Ohio State 11-1
7) Texas 11-1
8) Alabama 11-1
9) Missouri 10-2
10) Penn State 10-2
11) Mississippi 10-2
12) Oklahoma 10-2
13) Louisiana State 9-3
14) Arizona 9-3
15) Louisville 10-2
16) Notre Dame 9-3
17) Tulane 11-1
18)  Iowa 10-2
19) Oklahoma State 9-3
20) Liberty 12-0
21) North Carolina State 9-3
       Oregon State 8-4
23) Toledo 11-1
24) James Madison 11-1
25) Southern Methodist 10-2

Others Receiving Votes
Tennessee 8-4
Clemson 8-4
Kansas State 8-4
Utah 8-4
Troy 10-2
Kansas 8-4
New Mexico State 9-3
Kentucky 7-5
Memphis 9-3
Miami (Ohio) 10-2
North Carolina 8-4
If you've been wondering why I haven't been fixing the AP college football poll every week, it's because I don't bother to fix the AP poll's top 25 until after the final edition is released in January. When there are no more games to be played, there is no longer any wiggle room for ignoring head-to-head results and season-long performance. But before that, there can be plenty of room for wiggling.

For example, I think that 10-2 Iowa is overrated at #18, given their loss to 5-7 Minnesota and the fact that they haven't beaten a single rated or even nearly-rated team. On top of that, their performance has been consistently putrid, as they have barely won game after game after game against extremely weak opponents. However, if Iowa defeats #2 Michigan in the Big 10 title game this week, then the sportswriters will have been proven right, and if Iowa loses, then the Hawkeyes will drop in the ratings anyway, so this issue will largely take care of itself one way or the other.

Obviously, while I will not fix the AP poll until January, it is late enough in the season that I now feel comfortable commenting on the weekly poll. I will go ahead and point out problems with the poll that would be outright errors if the season had ended this last weekend, and no more games were to be played. This can also give voters (in the AP or in any other poll) an idea of potential errors to avoid going forward.

Playoff Committee Rankings

UPDATED -- Comments on the 11-28-23 College Football Playoff rankings are now posted at the bottom of this article!

I will also add some comments on the playoff committee rankings to this article after that top 25 comes out on Tuesday, but only if there is anything in those rankings to address that is different than the issues with the AP poll that I am already addressing below.

Because the playoff committee will not be ranking teams in a final post-bowl top 25, I will not be fixing any of their rankings like I will the final AP poll top 25 in January, and for that reason, I will not be fully commenting on the playoff committee's top 25s.

Now let's get to commenting on the problems with the latest AP poll...

Louisiana State > Missouri

9-3 Louisiana State (#13) defeated 10-2 Missouri (#9) by 10 points on the road, and they should therefore be rated higher than Missouri. All 3 of LSU's losses have come to teams ranked in the top 11, and Missouri has not beaten a ranked opponent, so there's just no excuse for Missouri to be ranked higher. Very poor job by the sportswriters here, possibly the worst ranking decision in this top 25.

Needless to say, 10-2 Mississippi (#11), who has beaten LSU, should also be rated higher than Missouri.

Oklahoma

10-2 Oklahoma, who sits right in front of 9-3 LSU at #12, should also be dropped behind LSU. Oklahoma may have a better straight record, but OU has taken 2 upset losses to lower-ranked teams, and LSU has taken no upset losses, so LSU has a better relevant record than that of Oklahoma, and that is what should matter here.

Kentucky > Louisville

Kentucky (unranked) may be 7-5 and Louisville (#15) 10-2, but don't be blinded by those straight records: Kentucky should be rated ahead of Louisville due to beating them 38-31 on the road this week. Kentucky's straight record is worse solely because they played a far more difficult schedule. Kentucky has taken an upset loss (17-14 to 5-7 South Carolina), but so has Louisville (38-21 to 3-9 Pittsburgh). All but 1 of Kentucky's wins came by more than a touchdown (the exception being their win at Louisville), while Louisville posted 4 close wins over unranked opponents. This case just doesn't look close to me. Still, if Louisville defeats Florida State in the ACC title game next week, their case for being rated ahead of Kentucky gets much stronger.

Tennessee

8-4 Tennessee (unranked), who defeated Kentucky, should of course also be rated higher than 10-2 Louisville. Tennessee and Louisville have each taken 1 upset loss (Tennessee to 5-7 Florida; Louisville, again, to 3-9 Pitt). The difference between these teams is the fact that Tennessee beat Kentucky 33-27 on the road, while Louisville lost to Kentucky 38-31 at home. And like Kentucky, Tennessee performed better than Louisville did.

So Tennessee > Kentucky > Louisville. And since Louisville defeated #16 Notre Dame (9-3) and #21 North Carolina State (9-3), keep in mind that all these teams should be rated in this order: Tennessee > Kentucky > Louisville > Notre Dame > North Carolina State.

Tulane

11-1 Tulane has lost only to #11 Mississippi, so they have a better relevant record than almost every team ranked behind Ole Miss, but nevertheless I think that Tulane is overrated at #17. The problem is that they just haven't beaten anyone of value, and they've posted a lot of poor performances (close wins over 4-8 Tulsa, 2-10 East Carolina, 6-6 Rice, and 5-7 North Texas). 12-0 Liberty, who sits 3 places behind Tulane at #20, has posted just 2 close wins this year, so I don't see a good reason for Tulane to be rated higher than them, especially considering the fact that they are unbeaten and Tulane is not.

Iowa

10-2 Iowa, who sits right behind Tulane at #18, is in my opinion even more overrated than Tulane is. Unlike Tulane, Iowa has taken an upset loss (to 5-7 Minnesota), and Iowa is the only team in the top 25 that has performed even worse than Tulane has. They lost 31-0 to #10 Penn State, and they have posted 5 close wins over unrated opponents, including a pair of wins by 2 and 3 points over losing teams in their last 2 games. Iowa has done nothing at all to merit being ranked, and they should not be ranked.

Of course, if Iowa defeats Michigan in the Big 10 title game next week, then they will have proven the sports writers correct, and will have earned their spot in the rankings.

Oklahoma State

I think that 9-3 Oklahoma State is a bit overrated at #19. They have some good wins (#12 Oklahoma, #28 Kansas State, #31 Kansas), but they have also taken 3 upset losses to unranked teams, and 2 of those were incredibly ugly (33-7 to 6-6 South Alabama and 45-3 to 6-6 Central Florida). I think they belong closer to the bottom of the top 25, behind Liberty (#20), North Carolina State (#21), and Oregon State (#21), all of whom have better relevant records than OSU has.

Of course, if Oklahoma State defeats Texas in the Big 12 title game next week, then the sports writers will have been proven right on this one.

Toledo

11-1 Toledo is overrated at #23, and beating Miami (Ohio) in the MAC title game next week will do nothing to change that fact. Toledo lost to 5-7 Illinois, and frankly they should be rated behind the Illini, which is to say, nowhere near the top 25. They have also performed poorly (5 close wins over unranked opponents).

James Madison

11-1 James Madison (#24) may have a better case for being ranked than Toledo does, as they have performed a bit better, and they did beat a good team in 10-2 Troy. However, James Madison has an upset loss to Appalachian State dragging them down, and they only beat Troy by 2 points, whereas Kansas State (just outside the top 25 at #28) stomped on Troy 42-13. I have to think that KSU, at the least, should be rated higher than James Madison, and that alone would likely leave JM just outside a legit top 25.

Southern Methodist

10-2 Southern Methodist gives us yet another overrated team at #25. SMU lost 34-17 to 5-7 Texas Christian, and I don't see any reason for them to be rated higher than TCU, which is to say, they should not be rated at all.

Utah, Clemson, Kansas State, and Kansas

So we have at least 4 teams in the AP poll's top 25 that should not be ranked at all. Who should we replace them with? Well, as I indicated above, Kentucky and Tennessee should be rated ahead of Louisville, so that's 2 teams that would replace some of the teams that need to be shown the door. Other teams that would be better inclusions in a top 25 than some of the teams covered above include Utah, Clemson, Kansas State, and Kansas.

8-4 Utah (#29) took all 4 of their losses to teams ranked in the top 21, so they have a better relevant record than do #18 Iowa, #19 Oklahoma State, #21 North Carolina State, #23 Toledo, #24 James Madison, and #25 Southern Methodist, all of whom have taken upset losses to unranked teams.

8-4 Clemson (#27) has taken a pair of upset losses to unranked teams, but they made up for one of them with an upset win over #16 Notre Dame. They also beat 8-4 North Carolina 31-20.

8-4 Kansas State (#28) has taken 1 upset loss, in their finale to 7-5 Iowa State, but their performance has otherwise been extremely strong, including losses at #7 Texas and at #9 Missouri by just 3 points each. They also own wins over 8-4 Kansas and 10-2 Troy, the latter by a big score of 42-13.

8-4 Kansas (#31) has taken an upset loss to 6-6 Texas Tech, but they made up for it with a big upset win over #12 Oklahoma.

Comments on the College Football Playoff Rankings 11-28-23

I would say that there are 8 relevant differences between the AP poll and the College Football Playoff (CFP) rankings, all rather slight, and I would judge that the AP poll did better with 3 of those differences, the CFP rankings with 5, so the CFP rankings end up a little better. Overall, the two are far more similar than they are different.

Unfortunately, the CFP top 25 repeats the same worst error that the AP poll makes, placing Missouri 4 places higher than LSU, who beat them by 10 on the road. Look, this is pretty simple: according to the CFP's own rankings, Missouri lost to the #1 and #13 teams, and the best team they defeated is ranked #21. If I were to ask a bunch of 4th graders where such a team should be ranked, they would universally, and correctly, say somewhere between #14 and #20. And yet a room full of adults with college degrees cannot understand this simple logic? And we are letting this utterly inept group select who goes to the playoffs? I find that very disturbing.

I understand the AP poll making this mistake, because the sportswriters don't have much time to rank teams after the Saturday games, and they have always ranked teams based mostly on feelings and straight record and when losses happened. And really, their ranking is just for fun anyway. Nothing is really at stake. The CFP rankings, however, matter a great deal, and more time goes into it, and supposedly more thought goes into it as well, and so this type of basic lack of logic is, in my opinion, inexcusable. I don't think that anyone who makes such a judgment as ranking Missouri higher than LSU should have anything to do with selecting which teams go to playoffs and which don't.

Now for some comments on the aforementioned 8 differences between the AP poll and the CFP rankings...

Louisville, Iowa, and Oklahoma State

The CFP rankings put Louisville, Iowa, and Oklahoma State higher than the AP poll did, and as I wrote about all 3 of these teams above, they were overrated by the AP poll to begin with. So naturally I'd say that the AP poll did a better job rating these 3 teams than the CFP rankings did. As it happens, these 3 teams all have something in common: each qualified for its conference's championship game. Perhaps the CFP ranking committee is giving teams a boost for this, and if so, well, I find that odd. How does Iowa winning its garbage division of the Big Ten make them a better team than if they were an independent with the same record against the same schedule? Doesn't make any sense.

Little Big Teams

The 5 issues the CFP rankings outdid the AP poll on all involve "Little Big Teams," or teams from minor conferences. The CFP rankings put Tulane and Liberty lower than the AP poll did, and the CFP committee ranked Tennessee, Clemson, and Kansas State in their top 25, replacing the AP poll's Toledo, James Madison, and Southern Methodist. As you can read in the article above, Tennessee, Clemson, and KSU are all teams I listed as being better top 25 candidates than some teams the AP poll rated, and Toledo, James Madison, and SMU are all teams that I thought should not be rated. Furthermore, I do think that Tulane and Liberty were at least a bit overrated by the AP poll. So naturally I think the CFP rankings made the better choices here.

This is something that has been very consistent with the CFP rankings over the years: they just really don't like minor conference teams. Most of the time, they are right. The AP poll definitely has a bad habit of overrating Little Big Teams with nice-looking straight records. However, sometimes, when a Little Big Team deserves to be ranked highly, the CFP committee still ranks them lower than the AP poll does, so what we have here is simply an unthinking bias against Little Big Teams that just happens to work out most of the time.

Tulane and Liberty

I have a little more to say about Tulane and Liberty. Like the AP poll, the CFP rankings put Tulane higher than Liberty, and as I wrote in the article above, I think that Liberty should be ranked higher than Tulane. Neither team has played a schedule worth a damn, but Tulane is 11-1 and Liberty 12-0, and Liberty has clearly performed better than Tulane has on the season, so I just don't understand why Tulane is ranked higher than Liberty in both top 25s. Unfortunately, this issue matters a great deal, as a major bowl bid could be on the line. Which is exactly why illogical people should not be making these decisions.

According to Massey's composite ratings, an averaging of 79 different rating systems, Liberty is #21 and Tulane is #30. I'm no fan of computer ratings, but sadly the computers have decidedly outdone the humans on this issue.

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